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| Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 11:53 pm |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member 
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I have owned my 4-Beat saddle for 1 1/2 years and never had the hair rubbing issues under the back of the saddle that I have now. I really don't know what is going on. I have used my saddle with a very thin 3/8 felt pad with HAH pad in the past with no issues, a tacky tack reinsman pad with no issues, and a thinline (The Pro-Tech Western Felt pad made of 1/2 inch wool felt with a layer of 1/4 inch ThinLine) with no issues. The first two pads were used during the warm weather and last winter. All of a sudden this winter with my horses longer coat, the hair is getting rubbed around under the back of the saddle. I have tried the Thinline and the tacky pad and the rubbing still occurs. My equine chiropractor was just out last week and checked Goldie's back and said she had no sore spots so I don't think it is my saddle. Her left hip needed to be adjusted, but when I rode her today the saddle pad still rubbed the hair so I don't think it was her hip. I am so confused as to why this is happening, and what I should do. I don't want The rubbing to cause problems. Please help!! Attachment: phpfd2bN8PM.jpg (Downloaded 245 times)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 11:54 pm |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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Here is another picture Attachment: php2bZNJHPM.jpg (Downloaded 246 times)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:07 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss 
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Isn't she a young horse? Is she at a place in her growing that she is now butt high? Is she moving extra heavy on the fore? Just wondering if this isn't what's causing the rubbing? Could it be?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:16 am |
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sdlepal Ranch Hand 
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Hello Mygirl, when I saw the first picture my thought was rainrot. Could this be going on? My horse's back look very much like the first picture when he had this skin conditon and it wasn't totally from the damp weather. Are there crusty places where the hair is rubbing out? Just a thought.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 05:12 am |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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Goldie is 5 yrs old. I don't think she is going through a growth spurt, but I will look at her closely tomorrow. If she is I can try using my 1/2 inch felt pad with the HAH pad to see if that helps. It is not rain rot...it is basically the hair being rubbed by the pad. When I brush her after taking the saddle off it smoothes out, but it does look like the hair is also being rubbed off. There are no scabs, sores, or any thing on the skin. It's just mangled hair.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 02:01 pm |
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goldielocks G.O.G Community Member 
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My husband was having the same situation-and when he sent pics to Brenda it was suggested he move his saddle more forward. He had been riding a 4beat saddle for 5years. Why all of a sudden he wasn't getting it placed just right didn't make sense to me-on his part. He still rides the same horse and the same saddle-and no more problems so I guess he was just getting it a little too far back. Last edited on Wed Jan 5th, 2011 02:02 pm by goldielocks |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 08:34 pm |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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I tried riding Goldie today with a 1/2 inch think felt pad and my HAH pad and she still had the rubbed hair. I tried moving the saddle forward, and I still got rubbing. I am beginning to wonder if my saddle doesn't really fit her properly, and the winter hair is just showing this to me.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 09:36 pm |
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cclarsencc GOG V.I.P 
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This is my opinion The area you mention is a part of that saddle that is designes to flair up and not dig in to the horses back in a "white towel test you would see this area dirty as the horse has alot of freedom and movement under that part of the saddle (along the back and along the front). I think that your are just noticing the movement in that area with the long winter coat. The chyro didnt find any singnes of discomfort. now i have noticed on the tacky pads sometimes on some horses with a slightly prominent spine that the rolled edge will rub so you have to make sure to pull it up as you would the front. chris
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 10:08 pm |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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The last time I did a white towel test ...which was when I first got my saddle...that is exactly what I had...dirt under the front and about 1/4 to 2/3 of the back...and nothing in the middle or along the topline. Here is a photobucket link with pictures of Goldie with and without her saddle. I was going to attach a photobucket link to a bunch of pictures of Goldie and her saddle fit...but for some reason the link gets messed up with moving smiley faces.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 03:48 am |
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Lakota G.O.G Community Member 
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It's kinda hard to see in the pics, is it right on the spine or off to one side? My first thought was go to 100% pure wool, but I guess you already tried that.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 11:47 am |
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cclarsencc GOG V.I.P
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So it would me my guess that it is just the winter coat getting ruffeled under the areas that designed to give freedom of movement .
____________________ Training starts every time you approach a horse and ends when you walk away. Horses can talk - We just need to listen See Whats New @ http://www.willbegaitin.com |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 02:30 pm |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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That's exactly what it appears to be...winter coat getting ruffled under the areas designed to give freedom of movement. Other then the Tacky tack pad...the other two are actually wool felt. My friend has a 100% wool pad that I could have tried, but it is really thick and won't fit under my saddle. I don't think she is happy with the rubbing because the whole time I am saddling her up, she is swishing her tail. Her back is very touchy, not in a pain response way, but in an itchy ticklish way. She flinches like crazy when you run your hand lightly down her back, but if you really press looking for pain...there is no response. Today I am going to try to ride her in my daughter's cordura saddle just to see if it still happens. Thanks so much for the responses. It's greatly appreciated!!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 11:49 pm |
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SunnysMum G.O.G Community Member 
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Also for future reference, if you put the photobucket links inside the "Code" tags. It prevents the smiles from showing up.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 12:39 am |
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mygirl1197 G.O.G Community Member
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Here is the photobucket link. Thanks Sunnysmum.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20th, 2011 04:37 pm |
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Karen A G.O.G Community Member
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If your horse's back has filled in perhaps you either don't need a HAH pad anymore or need to take some of the padding out of it. What may be happening is that the front of the saddle is too tight and that is causing it to press into her back in the rear.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27th, 2011 10:26 pm |
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fireandice G.O.G Community Member 
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Karen A wrote: If your horse's back has filled in perhaps you either don't need a HAH pad anymore or need to take some of the padding out of it. What may be happening is that the front of the saddle is too tight and that is causing it to press into her back in the rear.Mygirl: ^ This is what I'm thinking. As your horse changes in fitness, tack sometimes doesn't fit the same and small adjustments need to be made. If deep tissue palpation doesn't elicit a response, that of course is a very good thing. But constant rubbing of the hair, I would think, might cause a superficial minor skin irritation. The fact that she is letting you know she doesn't approve of tacking up is something you are paying attention to, with due cause. Has her rider or either your riding changed at all? This can cause changes in the way a horse moves, potentially causing changes in the way your saddle and pad move. You sound like a very conscientious rider, but I'm also thinking of a saddle pad that needs to be cleaned, ie., too much hair and/or dirt. Sometimes these things can be a real mystery can't they?! ;) Perhaps Brenda or Jake or someone else can shed more light on your issue. T.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28th, 2011 07:48 pm |
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TheBlaze G.O.G Community Member 
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When you tried moving the saddle forward where did you place it? I like the front edge of the pommel to sit at the highest point of the withers. I find, that when I place the saddle in this position, it puts me right in their center of gravity behind the withers much closer to where you sit when you ride bareback. And make sure that there is shoulder clearance still in this position. On my round Rocky, that takes a wide tree, the front of the saddle sticks out a bit into the air, but that's the part that's designed to flare to give the shoulder clearance anyway. It looks a bit funny, but it's in the correct position and doesn't cause pain anywhere. He also has a short back, and this allows the saddle not to jut out over his hips behind the cantle. In your picture it looks like yours if further back than this. Also, your mare looks to have a relatively long back. I wonder if that's effecting her movement and maybe part of your problem. I'm not sure how it would do that, just an observation. I'm sure this is immensely frustrating for you. And it's a strange problem to have with these saddles, especially with the rigging system. Do you tie off under your leg or behind your leg? I don't know if the saddle is girthed up in the pictures. But, you may want to try tying off at the D ring behind your leg. That's how it's designed, so that you don't have any extra bulk under your leg when you ride.
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| Posted: Fri May 13th, 2011 10:33 pm |
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anjanette G.O.G Community Member
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Mygi 197 ~Did you ever get this figured out? Mine is doing the same thing, same place. The hair on one side is thinned out more than the other side. I'm gonna try moving her saddle forward a bit more to see if that helps . . . once it stops raining around here. p.s. I have both the Imus 4-Beat saddle and the 4-Beat saddle pad.
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| Posted: Sat May 14th, 2011 02:31 am |
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TN Trailrider G.O.G Community Member 
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I wonder if the hair loss is a sort of allergic reaction to the neoprene lining on the bottom of the bad. Some horses react badly to this rubberized finish. Maybe try a blanket under the pad, or a different pad and see if that stops it.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2011 12:19 am |
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Drifters rider G.O.G Community Member 
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I had the same problem with my horse last year. Moving the saddle forward is ok but it slides back to where it wants to sit. Perhaps my pad is stiff back there from all the hair. I can look at that. Last year, I alternated between a couple of pads too. He has a new coat now so we are starting fresh. I am interested to see what others find helpful. I may try a wool blanket. Maybe the padding was too thick.
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